Ashley 'Crane King Cog' Coghill has made a welcome return to Biglorryblog after a notiable absence from BLB. And what a return too..."Ash tells me: "CKC hasn't been around for a while. One thing and other, this and that, here and there....you know how it is!"
Anyway, I was collecting near Berkhampstead today and came across this old beasty sitting in a farm yard.Now, I like my old lorries, and I know it says Scammell on the front, but I 'aint got a clue what type it is.I will gladly donate one of my spare pies for any info....Keep on truckin' CKC!"
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And while you're at it, tell me what the engine is too! Meanwhile, click through here for a slightly more 'up-to-date' Scammell...
This comes from Rod Simmonds in New Zealand who tells me; "This is from the David Pope Fleet , a Scammell S26-40, Cummins NTE 400 with 13-speed Roadranger. Did alot of livestock work (there were another two) then they were sold after three years due to breaking apart..replaced with Isuzu's and Fodens.".
Comments (14)
Well, the engine is a Gardner 6LW, but as for the rest of it..................it's obviously a Scammell, but they hardly changed from the 1920s to the 1950s so you would have to be a real expert to know what this model is.
I don't expect a pie for knowing the engine, but will happily donate one to whoever can correctly identify the Scammell.
Posted by Vic Hungerford | June 28, 2008 10:48 PM
Posted on June 28, 2008 22:48
As Vic says, we're very disappointed that Ashley can't recognise such an easily identifiable engine as the Gardner 6LW. And as Vic says, Scammell weren't really into model names until they began building their wartime Pioneers. Even their 1930s mechanical horse three wheelers were just called Mechanical Horse. They did use names like Rigid 6 and Rigid 8 (for their rigids) and other mind blowing names like articulated eight wheelers (depending on the number of wheels of course). They then began using the terms 15MU which indicates they could carry 15 tons payload and it was a motive unit (ie an artic unit). So that's my guess for what this. But what it certainly is - it's quite a find. Give the man a pie.
Posted by Bob Tuck | June 29, 2008 6:11 AM
Posted on June 29, 2008 06:11
Solid tyres Vic, must be from the 20's.
Posted by Peter Lynch | June 29, 2008 10:14 AM
Posted on June 29, 2008 10:14
I'm not sure that they are solid tyres, Pete. I think they are just small pneumatic ones.
Posted by Vic Hungerford | June 29, 2008 10:31 AM
Posted on June 29, 2008 10:31
Solid tyres on the back is it ?
Posted by Peter Lynch | June 29, 2008 11:18 AM
Posted on June 29, 2008 11:18
Sorry Brian not sure if I told you about the date of the Scammell - and it hasn't got solids on, those are pneumatics, honest.
If I had to bet a pie, I'd say 1937 - but better make that a small pie. Anything from '35-'39.
Posted by Bob Tuck | June 29, 2008 4:21 PM
Posted on June 29, 2008 16:21
As has been said, hard to date, but the sloped windscreen and pneumatics all round would suggest late 1930s at the earliest. My 'gut feeling' is that it is between 1945 and 1950. A photo from the near side would tell if it's a chain-drive which would help.
Posted by Roy Larkin | June 29, 2008 4:33 PM
Posted on June 29, 2008 16:33
Yes, I was wondering whether it was a chain-drive model, but you can't tell from those photos
Posted by Vic Hungerford | June 30, 2008 10:54 AM
Posted on June 30, 2008 10:54
Just having another look, my guess is pre-war, as the post-war similar to this that I have seen don't have rectangular windsceens, the bottom slopes down from the centre to the outside, if you see what I mean. Maybe we will never know, but I hope we do. I plan to be in the UK next year, maybe I'll have to go and fing it!
Posted by Vic Hungerford | June 30, 2008 11:10 AM
Posted on June 30, 2008 11:10
Sorry Roy. Im with Bob on this. The rear axle looks like the very early type with the domed end. Although Scammell did have a habbit of using old stock on later motors so we could be wrong but my money would go on very late 30's. My six wheeler has the later standard axle which you see on all Highwaymen etc and thats 1939.
I'll get my anorak now!
Posted by Dave Walker | June 30, 2008 12:23 PM
Posted on June 30, 2008 12:23
Well, Im a bit put out here.....you tryin to stitch me up because I havn't been on for a while Brian???
I KNOW it's Gardner! I had a good look when I took the pics. You worded it wrong! I never said what engine is it...... Cor blimey, you can fall out with folk so easily.....
For all you who commented, ill be going back there on Thursday, so ill make contact with the farmer/owner and ask as many questions as I can before he tells me to "get off my land".
Stand by......
Posted by ASH Crane King Cog | June 30, 2008 6:58 PM
Posted on June 30, 2008 18:58
Well, Im a bit put out here. You tryin to stitch me up cause I havn't been on for a while Brian?
I never asked for the engine make. that was your editing.....I kenw what it was cause I had a good look when I took the pics! Cor blimey, you can fall out with folk so easily....
Anyway, nice to see so many comments. Im going back there on Thursday, so ill try and find out more about the ole girl. Watch this space as they say......
Posted by CKC ASH | June 30, 2008 7:04 PM
Posted on June 30, 2008 19:04
If he or you are that interested you could try and get the chassis number. I can make a call and get it's history, who ordered it, where it went and when and post it on here. The plates are, or should be located on the nearside chassis rail just infront of the rear spring front hanger and a plate in the cab usually on the cab back sheet. Occasionally they were put on the bulkhead, again on the nearside. Chances are both are missing so if the registraion is present i can find it from there. May even have some archive pictures somwhere.
Posted by Dave Walker | July 1, 2008 7:59 AM
Posted on July 1, 2008 07:59
I'm glad you're going back, Ashley; it will be very interesting to find out. I still reckon it's pre-war.
Posted by Vic Hungerford | July 4, 2008 8:24 AM
Posted on July 4, 2008 08:24