Foden steam traction engines...Lake Goldsmith revisited (again) and this time it's serious says Biglorryblog

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The only problem with having a memory stick says Biglorryblog is that you've got to 'remember' what you've out on it! As I need my e-mail for the day job, the quickest way to handle fresh blog contributions is to save them on a memory stick...only then you tend to forget where you left them (and the stick too for that matter. " Which is a long winded way of saying here's some more stuff from the Aussie half of the 'Dynamic Duo' (AKA AtkiPete Lynch and Vic Hungerford) and their recent trip to the Lake Goldsmith bash

 

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Pete sent me these shots of ancient waggons (oilers and steamer) and says:"G'day Brian,

After leaving Goldsmith your aged and aging Anoraks headed back towards Colac  as I had heard of some very interesting old lorries down there. I was finally getting my head around Vic's Kiwi accent and some of that NZ trucking terminology. Did you know that a "sex spud" is a 6-speed gearbox (not as I first assumed, some sort of vegetarian Viagra)...?" yeh 'Fush and chups' to you Pete! 

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Pete con tinues:" Arriving at Andrew Provan's place we received a warm welcome and were shown around his collection of commercial vehicles dating back as far as 1908.  The restored vehicles included Dodge trucks, a Graham Bros bakers van (sans pies) a Leyland brewery wagon with matching trailer and a 1908 Belize taxi cab..."

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 "Andrew was busy working on an extensive rebuild of a Foden 7hp traction engine, [pictured at the top of the blog in what looks like a 'fabulous' workshop!-BLB]which had been retired due to a broken crankshaft 30 years back. Our visit was well timed as he has just reassembled the engine, and was able to run it on compressed air for the first time." Now click through here for more crumblies (and I don't mean Vic and Pete!)

 

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(Apparently this is an ancient two-stroke..though hwo you can tell withotu an engine is beyonb BLB!) 

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Pete adds: " A Singer sports car and 1920s era Karrier 3 way tipper occupied the rest of the workshop. With the Karrier stripped back to the chassis rails, the unusual pivoting sub frame for the engine and gearbox was clearly evident. Just why they went to this added complexity is unknown but Andrew thinks it is because the engine and gearbox could be mounted separately and remain unaffected by chassis movement. Perhaps BLB readers may know of other examples of this design?"

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"Wandering around the yard, it appears that Andrew will be busy for at least 300 years with a number of other restorations. There is a great mixture of American, Aussie, British and other vehicles here, some of which might baffle your Army. For example I've no idea what this is! Cheers Pete." Mmmm sounds like a pie quiz to me right guys?

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The van is a Trojan (15?) introduced in 1947 with V4 two-stroke motor which has two charging cylinders compressing the air/fuel mixture for the other 2 acting as the blower that most 2 stroke diesels have. They also had a Perkins P3V option. They were known as being ruggedly reliable and could take a fair amount of overloading as long as you didn't want to get anywhere in a hurry!
The F/C with big headlights is a Commer N series F/C (N3?) of the late 30s. A very rare vehicle with only a few known to survive. There should be a little build plate at the top of the dash on the passenger side with a 5 digit serial number. If you can find out what that is for me Pete, I can tell you exactly what model it is.
Not sure of the Albion model, but I am sure that cab is non standard - looks of American origin or a local build?


Forgot the other one - around 1938 Fargo (FG4-59?) (or Dodge (RE/RF?) or DeSoto) based on a Dodge anyway, possibly built at Windsor in Ontario like the other RHD ones that came to NZ. The cab looks like a local build - more of a pillbox than the more standard NZ ones. But probably way off again!

Vic Hungerford

You are right of course, Howard, about the Trojan and the Commer, but had you ever seen a Karrier like the one in the photo under the Trojan? I remember those Trojans well as there were a number of them here in Auckland. Their 2-stroke engine sounded pretty awful and their performance was about a par with the Bradford van which was very popular here, that is 0-30mph in about 3 years.

The other truck you mentioned IS a Fargo, so top marks there; I will send you a high-res photo so you will be able to read the name on the front and side of the bonnet.

Cheers, Vic

Peter Lynch

The Kiwi platoon is doing well here. Enjoy your pie Howard, will try and find out more about that Commer.

Never come across this before VIc - will ask some of the Karrier experts in England, but in the 20s, Karrier were a very innovative company - sort of lost that a bit under Rootes in the 30s, so in some ways it is not surprising. Stuff they developed was often copied by other companies, e.g. features of their KL low load-line passenger chassis of 1925 ended up in the Leyland Lion a year later, and a development of their flexible semi-bogie rear drive system released in the 20s was still being used by others in WWII!
There were a number of Karriers in New Zealand Vic. I have a copy of the plate from one that Mattie Franicevich used to operate in Dargaville which had solid wheels! The Garity Bros in Greytown have also got a swag of photos of 20s Karriers in NZ. While a rarity, Karriers made it to Australia too, with a couple of WO6 6 wheelers being used by the MacRobertson Expedition to encircle Australia, a total of 11 000 miles of the most arduous conditions successfully completed in 22 weeks. They were named Burke and Wills but that will probably only mean something to us colonials!
Cheers
H

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